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PostSubject: OPINIONS WANTED   Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:52 pm

So as most of you know, I've been wanting to do some upgrades on my Jeep. I figured out the financial part so now I'm ready to get started. I have a stubborn side (surprise, surprise) and once I get something in my head, there is no talking me out of it so I'm looking for advice/opinions on the stuff I haven't decided on yet. Cost is always a consideration so I want to spend as little as I can & still get what I need/want. I also don't care about appearance -- I want it to work well, not look fancy so basic is best (i.e. I don't need chrome when black steel will do).

The unchangeable decision is that I'm putting a 9" in the front. I like having a 3rd member that I can pop out and take somewhere if something needs fixed and the whole set up isn't too large.

So now for my first set of questions:
1. Beadlocks - I want them. What brands would you recommend or avoid?

2. I will probably go to the 1 ton knuckles on the front axle which will change my bolt pattern to 5 on 5.5.
a. Can I use spacers on the rear? If so, I assume that will affect the width that the front axle needs to be built to - yes?
b. If not...can I get bolts put onto my existing axles in the 5 on 5.5 pattern? I ask because not only do I have the Dutchman shafts that are on the Jeep but I have a set of Currie spares too.

3. I'm still deciding between the Currie axle and the Spidertrax axle. I know Erik Miller had had some issues with his Currie axle. Suggestions/opinions?

4. I was considering the Tru High 9 but Bill said there are some issues with them now. I assume that leaves me with Currie as my only other option for the 3rd member high pinion housing. Anybody know of anywhere else I should look?

That's enough for now. As I make decisions I will let you guys know what they are. I plan on having Dave at Full Circle do the work and once I have some input from you guys I will talk to him and see if he has any other ideas.

I appreciate anything you guys have to say. I'm sure everyone has different opinions and I'll take them all into consideration before making my final decisions. If I decide wrong - that's ok too. Everybody makes mistakes and you learn from them. Thanks!!
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:24 pm

1. Beadlocks - I want them. What brands would you recommend or avoid?
-Trailready are nice beadlocks.

2. I will probably go to the 1 ton knuckles on the front axle which will change my bolt pattern to 5 on 5.5.
-Good choice.

a. Can I use spacers on the rear?
-you can use wheel spacers/adapters in the rear but they are notorious for coming loose, I don't trust them even with the locktite on so I don't drive it on the road more than a few miles anymore. adapters are like $99 a pair.

If so, I assume that will affect the width that the front axle needs to be built to - yes?
-Front width should be increased anyway to allow room for the spring plates. Mine is 2" wider than stock and still didn't have much room for the drivers side hardware. My drivers side axle tube is like 2" long because the 9" center is much wider than the stock one. You might ask Dave Kemner about what he would recommend for a width for the front end.

b. If not...can I get bolts put onto my existing axles in the 5 on 5.5 pattern? I ask because not only do I have the Dutchman shafts that are on the Jeep but I have a set of Currie spares too.
-you might want to check but on my rear 9" the axle shaft has the bolts on it and that cannot be changed without getting new shafts, and drilling new holes in the rotors to match.

3. I'm still deciding between the Currie axle and the Spidertrax axle. I know Erik Miller had had some issues with his Currie axle. Suggestions/opinions?
-Erik beats the hell out of his jeep in ways we will never truly understand. I personally would go with spidertrax but you might want to check prices too.

4. I was considering the Tru High 9 but Bill said there are some issues with them now.
-clarification: the issues are with the 9" high pinion setup in the rear of a vehicle due to poor lubrication with the pinion pointing up. there are also issues with the ARB RD99 locker that goes in both the currie and tru hi 9 differentials. due to it's unique design it is notorious for blowing seals and clutch gear failure (just ask the red bull team at the comps or look it up on pirate) tru hi 9 is much stronger than currie hands down but is very expensive. Now having said that I've beat the snot out of my front axle that has the currie 3rd member and has the RD99 ARB that is problematic and it works great. the rear one is having the problems.

I plan on having Dave at Full Circle do the work and once I have some input from you guys I will talk to him and see if he has any other ideas.
-Dave has a wealth of knowledge so ask him what he would do and get ready to pay out the wazoo. a good custom built axle like mine in the front will cost about $6000

You do have another option. just buy a D60 and call it done.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:27 pm

A D60 is strong out of the box. you can buy one for about $1200 and install gears and a locker, high steer setup, and have it cut down to the width you need. New shafts cut down and you are still ahead of the game. just some food for thought. Again ask Dave Kemner, he will not steer you wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:39 pm

Then Spend the money where you will need it. I would pick a 4 to 1 instead of the bead locks. The bead locks before the gears is kinda like skipping a step. I know that your thinking that bead locks will look cool and save a head ache of blown beads. I think gears and locker in the front will change what you call wheeling in great ways. You will have to bump and launch much less than you do now.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:42 pm

i agree you should prob. get a low range case first and that in itself will keep you from blowing beeds. and when you need new tires i would go with something that has a beed protector molded into it. you will be supprised on how they stick on the rim. look at nicks tires i allways thought they were flat and he does not even run beedlocks with his krawlers
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:49 am

Rockn93YJ wrote:
I just saw a 231 with teralow 4-1 on the creepers site I think for 900.


Can you send me a link for that...I didn't see it.

I was planning on getting the 4-1 too. Just hadn't posted that yet.

I want the beadlocks because I'm tired of blowing beads. I manage to get them wedged on trees and popping them off. It's irritating as hell.

I was already figuring on spending around $7000 give or take. I am hoping to stay under $10,000 tho.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:28 pm

Actually now that I read the rest of the post it won't work for you. Joe just posted about it and it won't work for his without taking it apart.

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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:24 pm

your better off with something new. You already have the sye and the kits new can be found for 700-1000 bucks depending on how good of a shopper you are.

Just a idea but have you thought of selling your jeep and just buying that is built? 7K is alot to invest in a rig and very easy to spend on a Jeep.

Just a to say it again I know your stuck on the custom 9" front but thats alot of money that could be spent on other things that you need. Nick, Rob, Matt, Chuck, Chris, Greg, Bobbi, Myself and others that I know I haven't listed Run Dana 44's and with little to no issues ever. Even a cut down dana 60 will save you money on not needing special parts. Now I know its your money and you have the right to do what you want. There are just a number of other things you could invest the money in. The first item that comes to mind would be to get a Atlas II or a stak transfer case.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:07 am

Selling my Jeep for something else is out of the question. I love my Jeep....every dent and scratch mean something.

I'm still not convinced I won't break a 44 so I'd rather just go bigger from the get go. My biggest problem with the D60 is the pumpkin is so big...I figure I'll end up catching it on things. The other issue is having to take the whole Jeep somewhere if something goes wrong. However, nothing should go wrong so that may not be that big an issue.

Also..I want an ARB for it but I can't tell by looking at the ARB site what kind of vehicle the D60 needs to come out of to be able to get one.

If you guys will help me find one to buy then I will consider the D60. I figure if I end up not liking it I will still be able to keep everything from the knuckles out to put on a 9".
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:06 pm

If I had your jeep, and I was going to stick with 37s or 36s. I would build a 44 front with cromos, put a 4 to 1 kit in (or atlas/stak but I can't swing that). some DIY bead locks and grove the tires. I am very happy with my 44 and you know that I beat on it. The three years nick has had his, he has only broken one stock axle shaft. Now he has cromo shafts. Now if you plan on jumping tire size that is a different story.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:37 am

i had the high pinion 44 on my front with 38.5 boggers and when i blew my shafts i went to the chrome moly with ctm joints. never broke a yukon shaft. i blew an off brand chromo, but i reused my ctm joint and got another yukon axle. had no problems since.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:43 am

rockdw72 wrote:
If I had your jeep, and I was going to stick with 37s or 36s. I would build a 44 front with cromos, put a 4 to 1 kit in (or atlas/stak but I can't swing that). some DIY bead locks and grove the tires. I am very happy with my 44 and you know that I beat on it. The three years nick has had his, he has only broken one stock axle shaft. Now he has cromo shafts. Now if you plan on jumping tire size that is a different story.


Right now I plan on staying with 36s but I may go larger in the future so I want to build with that in mind.

I was looking into the DIY beadlocks. I have to buy new wheels because I have the wrong bolt pattern and I figured it might be worth the extra $ to just get them already attached. But the DIY is still an option.

BTW - can I borrow your groover sometime over the winter?
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:35 am

Ok so building a 60 or a 609 is expensive. ARB has the locker you need for any D60 you buy depending on spline count and gear ratio. Clearance for a 60 vs 9" isn't that much difference and both can be shaved. The ARB for the 9" is notoriously problematic, just type in RD99(that is the ARB for the 9") on Pirate and read the threads. lockers for the 9" are small due to limited room compared to a D60. So where to spend the money. I think Nester and and Von have the answer.
1. Buy a D44 and build with chromoly shafts, locker and keep the width near stock. axle replacement is easy so you don't need to take it anywhere for repairs. At this stage you should know how to fix it anyway short of replacing gears, it really isn't that hard and you are a logical person. (I will never buy another 9" arb locker ever)
2. invest in an atlas transfer case. makes a huge difference when you have more time to pick your line and can walk the jeep where you want it instead of using the skinnny pedal.
3. Keep your rims and do the cheap beadlock with screws or buy some Staun Beadlocks to keep your wheels.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:40 am

Why do you guys keep trying to talk me out of a stronger axle? I can understand the issues wtih the 9" but why a D44 over a D60?
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED   Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:32 pm

you were the one that didn't want the D60 because of clearance. The D44 I think they are trying to point out is strong enough for the type of wheeling done by Von so it should be strong enough for you as well. A D44 can be kept stock width and replacement parts cheap. if you cut down a D60 you will still need to be 6-8" wider than stock to make room for the housing and leaf pads. Also it is widely argued that you don't run a D60 unless you are running tires bigger than 37" due to the pumpkin clearance issue.

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